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		<title>By: Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.goodreturns.co.nz/blog/whose-interests-are-consumer-serving/comment-page-1#comment-6327</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consumer is the GOD???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consumer is the GOD???</p>
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		<title>By: Red Dog The Pirate Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.goodreturns.co.nz/blog/whose-interests-are-consumer-serving/comment-page-1#comment-6324</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Dog The Pirate Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 06:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just phoned a client who had good news on Friday,namely a letter form ANZ agreeing to give him all his capital back from one of the ING frozen funds.
Unfortunately he said a neigbour who invested with an ING franchise was not so lucky...no recourse to the ombudsman.
My comment was that his neighbour needs to get hold of a few ANZ decisions and geta litigation lawyer to wave them at his adviser.
As for the quality of financial advice in this country...the smartest people have been those who have acquired a portfolio of rental properties at a reasonable time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just phoned a client who had good news on Friday,namely a letter form ANZ agreeing to give him all his capital back from one of the ING frozen funds.<br />
Unfortunately he said a neigbour who invested with an ING franchise was not so lucky&#8230;no recourse to the ombudsman.<br />
My comment was that his neighbour needs to get hold of a few ANZ decisions and geta litigation lawyer to wave them at his adviser.<br />
As for the quality of financial advice in this country&#8230;the smartest people have been those who have acquired a portfolio of rental properties at a reasonable time.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.goodreturns.co.nz/blog/whose-interests-are-consumer-serving/comment-page-1#comment-6319</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The complaints about industry bodies miss the point that the current onces barely have the size and thus subscriptions to provide anything other than a CEO and a bare bones office, other that that it really is up to the members to activtiely participate to make the Association or &#039;Institute&#039; worthwhile.

Get involved in your branch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The complaints about industry bodies miss the point that the current onces barely have the size and thus subscriptions to provide anything other than a CEO and a bare bones office, other that that it really is up to the members to activtiely participate to make the Association or &#8216;Institute&#8217; worthwhile.</p>
<p>Get involved in your branch.</p>
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		<title>By: Independent Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.goodreturns.co.nz/blog/whose-interests-are-consumer-serving/comment-page-1#comment-6318</link>
		<dc:creator>Independent Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grumpy - your comments are spot-on. Many of the issues that got the financial services industry into where it is are still with us, and many of the players involved have remained. Without naming names (as that would be defamatory), some clues to assist in the pursuit of industry mediocrity include:

1. industry bodies that collect fees and provide little (if anything) in return for their Members
2. research houses that have a limited ability to appraise the historic outcomes of those managed fund able to pay rating fees... a bit like driving your car by staring at the rear-vision mirror
3. industry training/dealership/research entities with ties to industry manufacturers, who continue to claim independence despite reporting lines &amp;/or links back to their &#039;mother-ships&#039;
4. those claiming to be financial advisers who remain ignorant of how a CDO differs from a hedge fund from a passive fund that charges active-fees... etc etc
5. again - those claiming to be financial advisers who believe that risk profiling can be achieved in 3 questions or less - or is a counter-terrorism initiative

Grump: you have a right to be grumpy, because the NZ financial services industry (by and large) is ignorant of what changes are required, and are lining up to repeat their actions that have got the industry to where it is today... If 95% of the financial services industry are rubbish, and the industry contains 5,000 financial advisers - then (by definition) there are less than 250 (probably much less) who are providing a fair-deal for their clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grumpy &#8211; your comments are spot-on. Many of the issues that got the financial services industry into where it is are still with us, and many of the players involved have remained. Without naming names (as that would be defamatory), some clues to assist in the pursuit of industry mediocrity include:</p>
<p>1. industry bodies that collect fees and provide little (if anything) in return for their Members<br />
2. research houses that have a limited ability to appraise the historic outcomes of those managed fund able to pay rating fees&#8230; a bit like driving your car by staring at the rear-vision mirror<br />
3. industry training/dealership/research entities with ties to industry manufacturers, who continue to claim independence despite reporting lines &amp;/or links back to their &#8216;mother-ships&#8217;<br />
4. those claiming to be financial advisers who remain ignorant of how a CDO differs from a hedge fund from a passive fund that charges active-fees&#8230; etc etc<br />
5. again &#8211; those claiming to be financial advisers who believe that risk profiling can be achieved in 3 questions or less &#8211; or is a counter-terrorism initiative</p>
<p>Grump: you have a right to be grumpy, because the NZ financial services industry (by and large) is ignorant of what changes are required, and are lining up to repeat their actions that have got the industry to where it is today&#8230; If 95% of the financial services industry are rubbish, and the industry contains 5,000 financial advisers &#8211; then (by definition) there are less than 250 (probably much less) who are providing a fair-deal for their clients.</p>
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		<title>By: Grumpy</title>
		<link>http://www.goodreturns.co.nz/blog/whose-interests-are-consumer-serving/comment-page-1#comment-6317</link>
		<dc:creator>Grumpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 03:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What is hard to understand is why do such a survey of advisers now when the industry is on the verge of a new regulatory regime designed to help increase confidence in the sector?&quot;

I, for one, would like to get a better idea of who was rubbish before the new regulatory regime smooths out some of the problems in the industry.  I have a long memory, and just because regulations force a company to clean up their act, doesn&#039;t mean I want to use them now.

Take for instance the ANZ/ING issue.  If the new regulations stop what many people believe was a mis-sold product being sold, that is great.  BUT, I&#039;m not using them now, knowing what they were before.

Know who they are and don&#039;t forgive them easily, just because they can&#039;t now do what they once did . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What is hard to understand is why do such a survey of advisers now when the industry is on the verge of a new regulatory regime designed to help increase confidence in the sector?&#8221;</p>
<p>I, for one, would like to get a better idea of who was rubbish before the new regulatory regime smooths out some of the problems in the industry.  I have a long memory, and just because regulations force a company to clean up their act, doesn&#8217;t mean I want to use them now.</p>
<p>Take for instance the ANZ/ING issue.  If the new regulations stop what many people believe was a mis-sold product being sold, that is great.  BUT, I&#8217;m not using them now, knowing what they were before.</p>
<p>Know who they are and don&#8217;t forgive them easily, just because they can&#8217;t now do what they once did . . .</p>
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		<title>By: chc</title>
		<link>http://www.goodreturns.co.nz/blog/whose-interests-are-consumer-serving/comment-page-1#comment-6316</link>
		<dc:creator>chc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Consumer report is a warning for advisers, regardless of size or ties, that the documented plans supplied to clients are not as comprehensive as expected. I don&#039;t see the Consumer article as a debate about managed funds or ETFs nor any other product for that matter. The debate is the justification of advice, the reporting of fees and the disclosure of relationships.  While many will say that the Consumer article is rubbish, those folk are missing the point. The point is Financial Advisers need to improve - in every aspect.

If in doubt, sit down and dissect one of your own plans, even better have someone else do it (a colleague or an external audit). The report should be viewed as a learning experience for all advisers including independents and corporates with the aim to raise professional standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Consumer report is a warning for advisers, regardless of size or ties, that the documented plans supplied to clients are not as comprehensive as expected. I don&#8217;t see the Consumer article as a debate about managed funds or ETFs nor any other product for that matter. The debate is the justification of advice, the reporting of fees and the disclosure of relationships.  While many will say that the Consumer article is rubbish, those folk are missing the point. The point is Financial Advisers need to improve &#8211; in every aspect.</p>
<p>If in doubt, sit down and dissect one of your own plans, even better have someone else do it (a colleague or an external audit). The report should be viewed as a learning experience for all advisers including independents and corporates with the aim to raise professional standards.</p>
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		<title>By: Big is not better</title>
		<link>http://www.goodreturns.co.nz/blog/whose-interests-are-consumer-serving/comment-page-1#comment-6315</link>
		<dc:creator>Big is not better</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been watching this debate with interest. For me consumer are not too far off the mark, and I can only agree with Independent Observer. For me however, the main culprits of this poor advice are the large corporates for the following reasons :

Their advisers are compelled to use related managed funds which they have a vested interest in, regardless of whether they are best of breed or not
Secondly, the only investment vehicle that is offered is the actively managed fund because of all the profit centres it offers the corporates
Thirdly, most clients are unaware of the true cost of actively managed funds
Lastly, there is a definite conflict of interest between the interests of the investor and the shareholders of the large parent companies. 

In this country unfortunately, independent best advice is sorely lacking, and for my money clients should rather be seeking smaller focussed advisers that are not tied in any way, shape or form to any investment solution and who are able to deliver diversified solutions that are cost effective and simple. I am not saying that there is not a place for managed funds, but in my book direct blue chip shares and bonds, exchange traded funds and limited managed funds are the way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been watching this debate with interest. For me consumer are not too far off the mark, and I can only agree with Independent Observer. For me however, the main culprits of this poor advice are the large corporates for the following reasons :</p>
<p>Their advisers are compelled to use related managed funds which they have a vested interest in, regardless of whether they are best of breed or not<br />
Secondly, the only investment vehicle that is offered is the actively managed fund because of all the profit centres it offers the corporates<br />
Thirdly, most clients are unaware of the true cost of actively managed funds<br />
Lastly, there is a definite conflict of interest between the interests of the investor and the shareholders of the large parent companies. </p>
<p>In this country unfortunately, independent best advice is sorely lacking, and for my money clients should rather be seeking smaller focussed advisers that are not tied in any way, shape or form to any investment solution and who are able to deliver diversified solutions that are cost effective and simple. I am not saying that there is not a place for managed funds, but in my book direct blue chip shares and bonds, exchange traded funds and limited managed funds are the way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Independent Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.goodreturns.co.nz/blog/whose-interests-are-consumer-serving/comment-page-1#comment-6314</link>
		<dc:creator>Independent Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Following on from my previous comments, I wanted to stress-test those financial advisers who firmly believe that they are different. My challenge is that you conduct an &quot;anonymous&quot; survey of your clients to determine what they truly believe. 

A recent study by Prince and Assoc. in the US of investors with $1 million or more in investable assets discovered:

a). 81% of the respondents planned to take money away from their current adviser
b). 86% of the respondents planned to tell others to AVOID their adviser
c). 2% of the respondents plan to recommend their firm to other investors

It may also be worth taking a look at the Forbes article entitled &quot;The market for financial advice is in turmoil&quot; for further thoughts on the future of our industry.

Without wanting to pre-empt any findings from your own surveys, I&#039;m picking that your clients are probably more disgruntled than they are prepared to tell you in person, many are looking to unbundle their relationship with you in the near future, many view your services as non-essential, many are unhappy with the over-weighting of managed funds to achieve their financial outcomes, and most of those surveyed are quickly becoming aware of the cost/benefit of using a financial adviser. In other words - your trusted clients are probably more simple consumers of financial advice than you would like to think.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news - but it&#039;s time that the financial service industry stopped living in the false belief that past behaviours are ok for the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following on from my previous comments, I wanted to stress-test those financial advisers who firmly believe that they are different. My challenge is that you conduct an &#8220;anonymous&#8221; survey of your clients to determine what they truly believe. </p>
<p>A recent study by Prince and Assoc. in the US of investors with $1 million or more in investable assets discovered:</p>
<p>a). 81% of the respondents planned to take money away from their current adviser<br />
b). 86% of the respondents planned to tell others to AVOID their adviser<br />
c). 2% of the respondents plan to recommend their firm to other investors</p>
<p>It may also be worth taking a look at the Forbes article entitled &#8220;The market for financial advice is in turmoil&#8221; for further thoughts on the future of our industry.</p>
<p>Without wanting to pre-empt any findings from your own surveys, I&#8217;m picking that your clients are probably more disgruntled than they are prepared to tell you in person, many are looking to unbundle their relationship with you in the near future, many view your services as non-essential, many are unhappy with the over-weighting of managed funds to achieve their financial outcomes, and most of those surveyed are quickly becoming aware of the cost/benefit of using a financial adviser. In other words &#8211; your trusted clients are probably more simple consumers of financial advice than you would like to think.</p>
<p>Sorry to be the bearer of bad news &#8211; but it&#8217;s time that the financial service industry stopped living in the false belief that past behaviours are ok for the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip</title>
		<link>http://www.goodreturns.co.nz/blog/whose-interests-are-consumer-serving/comment-page-1#comment-6312</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete: Not quite. You get information for free here. I&#039;m happy to take your money if you&#039;re offering to pay for a sub!
Secondly, we aren&#039;t the protagonists here. Merely reporting on things and allowing readers to comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete: Not quite. You get information for free here. I&#8217;m happy to take your money if you&#8217;re offering to pay for a sub!<br />
Secondly, we aren&#8217;t the protagonists here. Merely reporting on things and allowing readers to comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Consumer is clearly using this to drive more sales of its magazine.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Like this site does, you mean? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Consumer is clearly using this to drive more sales of its magazine.</p></blockquote>
<p>Like this site does, you mean?</p>
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