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COMMENT: Ring-fencing rules could mean 116,000 less rentals

Tuesday 12th of February 2019

In response to an Official Information Act request, I received confirmation from Inland Revenue last week that 116,000 rental property owners declared a loss on earnings in the 2016/17 tax year.

Inland Revenue also said that the average loss declared by each owner was $7138, and that includes both individual and non-individual (trusts, partnerships and companies) taxpayers.

Owners who run a rental property at a loss do so to claim the losses against tax paid on their day job to get a refund.

Yet advice to the Government about the impact of loss ring-fencing has proceeded without anyone knowing how many private rental property owners are negatively geared.

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